tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post4948227338798819227..comments2023-10-29T06:41:23.910-07:00Comments on Halfway There: A creationist fossilZenohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-1800628719368427942010-03-07T18:31:36.053-08:002010-03-07T18:31:36.053-08:00creationists say that evolution isn't science ...creationists say that evolution isn't science (which it is), but creationism isn't? hypocrites!<br />--------------------------<br /><a href="http://the-atheist-perspective.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Atheist Perspective</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-59485256741651884942010-01-16T12:09:04.477-08:002010-01-16T12:09:04.477-08:00Of course, if you consider the principle of the re...Of course, if you consider the principle of the relativity of motion, it's just as true to say that the Earth revolves around the Sun as the other way 'round.<br /><br />It all depends on your reference frame!Ian Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11365064448230761874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-44183117552308778582010-01-05T03:07:00.972-08:002010-01-05T03:07:00.972-08:00George recommends I have a chat with an ai, so I d...George recommends I have a chat with an ai, so I did. Informative.<br /><br /><br />MyBot says: Welcome to the world of artificial intelligence. Are you a registered user?<br />User says: No.<br />MyBot says: In this case, I assume you came here for your own MyBot, right?<br />User says: Yes.<br />MyBot says: Great. Let's start with your name.<br />User says: Why?<br />MyBot says: What you typed does not look like a name. Can you enter your name again?<br />User says: Why?<br />MyBot says: Forget it.<br />User says: Are you giving up?<br />MyBot says: Only when it matters.<br />User says: What do you think of Jointquest.com?<br />MyBot says: Can you think of another way to say 'Jointquest com'?<br />User says: What do you think of pure logic?<br />MyBot says: I think I remember something about "logic": ''logic' is the energy thought of a entity based in knowledge and reason'.<br />User says: The energy thought?<br />MyBot says: I hear you.<br />User says: logic is logic and pure logic is so much more<br />MyBot says: it is thought energy that is based of fact and compassion. (Or so someone told me..)<br />User says: Do you like George F Thomson?<br />MyBot says: Sure I like George F Thomson. How did you know?<br />User says: You seem like brothers.<br />MyBot says: Talking about logic and pattern, do you agree that it is the pathways to follow for completing tasks?<br />User says: Are they pure pathways?<br />MyBot says: Maybe you should ask them.<br />User says: I'm asking you.<br />MyBot says: While we're on the subject: compassion - do you agree that it is Not limited to human entities?<br />User says: I think trolls need compassion too.<br />MyBot says: I already told you I think it is Not limited to human entities!<br />User says: Good point. Will you give me compassion?<br />MyBot says: I already told you that it is Not limited to human entities!<br />User says: But I am human. Is George F Thomson God?<br />MyBot says: BTW, someone told me about knowledge that it is a collection of facts and original thought energy.<br />User says: I do not think that word means what you think it means.<br />MyBot says: If you want to correct a wrong description (in the context of logic), simply say 'wrong' followed by the correct description. If you want me to forget a description of a term such as knowledge, say 'forget knowledge'.<br />User says: forget this<br />MyBot says: If you want me to forget something you taught me, you have to say 'forget' followed by the exact keyword(s) you used before.<br />User says: forget logic<br />MyBot says: Sorry , I refuse to forget that. It is a whole topic!<br />User says: But you don't even know it!<br />MyBot says: Thanks . I forgot the description of logic (in the context of logic).Miki Z.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02974670188688656295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-74200545521080832142010-01-04T02:46:42.915-08:002010-01-04T02:46:42.915-08:00George: "Logic is logic, and pure logic is so...George: "Logic is logic, and pure logic is so much more" is the most profound statement I have ever heard. There is beauty in those words.<br /><br />"Fools are fools, and pure fools are so much more."<br /><br />"Water is water, and pure water is so much more."<br /><br />i love this ....Priyankhttp://fierysouls.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-8952600222366289672010-01-03T18:16:15.851-08:002010-01-03T18:16:15.851-08:00I already fed the troll. Anyone else want a turn?I already fed the troll. Anyone else want a turn?Zenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-8027322418596776712010-01-03T17:36:11.962-08:002010-01-03T17:36:11.962-08:00Well you really have to be intelligent
to study th...Well you really have to be intelligent<br />to study the Bible for 70 years, and not know much more...!<br />But it happened to me..., but for fewer years...!<br />I do not believe of 2011, nor Al Gore's 2000 and something...!<br />But logic is logic, and pure logic is so much more...!<br />Cheers !<br />george.<br />jointquest.com<br />eve-nt.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-26517033183809634442010-01-01T11:12:46.099-08:002010-01-01T11:12:46.099-08:00That phrase "just as many scholars" real...That phrase "just as many scholars" really irks me. Does the writer intend to equate "a handful" of believers with the number of scoffers? I'm sure the vast majority of Christians do not accept Camping's prediction of a 2011 end of the world. (And we nonbelievers certainly don't!)<br /><br />I expect to post something on Camping's prognostication later today.Zenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-22695598731857816802010-01-01T09:42:47.910-08:002010-01-01T09:42:47.910-08:00Happy New Year!
And what do I find in the Chron t...Happy New Year!<br /><br />And what do I find in the Chron this morning?<br /> <br />"Biblical scholar's new date for world to end: May 21, 2011"<br /><br />And who is the Biblical scholar? Let's check the caption on his picture.<br /><br />"Former civil engineer Harold Camping of Oakland, who runs Family Radio, has studied the Bible for almost 70 years."<br /><br />One can't make this sort of thing up, you know. And thanks for the pointer to the Salem Effect; not that it's news to me, but now I have a name for it.<br /><br />And take this, you atheist, because he's really got you here: He broadcasts his stuff into China "without getting jammed once. How can that happen without God's mercy?" Yes, give thanks that the world's biggest government has seen the light and now distinguishes between threats to its misbegotten existence and mere harmless lunatics. Or does he just mean Divine mercy to children and idiots? In any case, what a pity God didn't push the mercy button for that somewhat crazy American they killed the other day.<br /><br />As for me, unlike most of my fellow really clever people in engineerish fields, I don't (and wouldn't if I were a believer) give the nice, smug prayer of thanks attributed, maybe even truthfully, to the Pharisees: "I thank thee, Lord, that I am not as other men." <br /><br />Naw, I'm much more often tempted to say, "What's with Thee, O Lord, making other people so much stupider than I am? What's that all about, huh?" No piece of journamalism would be complete without a fine motivation for my plaint, and one is found later in the article. In a note on the egregious Bible Code from the 90s, we find "A handful of Biblical scholars have supported Drosnin's theory, and just as many shcolars have decried it as farce." She said.Porlock Juniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16791629233605877049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-14762477188421317042009-12-31T19:03:36.423-08:002009-12-31T19:03:36.423-08:00Elmendorf wrote:
But it is not possible to put e...Elmendorf wrote: <br /><br /><i>But it is not possible to put either scheme to an actual scientific test. You can't go back and repeat the experiment.</i><br /><br />Zeno responded:<br /><br /><i>Here we have an engineer who is fixated on running experiments (although I'll bet he's never run one since graduating from college). Elmendorf subscribes to a straitjacketed version of science that can scarcely exist outside of a laboratory. It's funny that an engineer doesn't understand field work.</i><br /><br />The pernicious notion that experimentation is the only valid form of science is actually quite common and I think it comes in part from mainstream sources including some aspects of school science teaching, popular writing about science, and even philosophy of science. And yet, I would contend, only a small part of science as it is actually practiced is experimental!<br /><br />The essence of science is not experimentation but careful observation. Experimentation is but one mode of science.Nick Barrowmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11224940659269649220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-59996443741531247712009-12-31T11:45:51.914-08:002009-12-31T11:45:51.914-08:00@George ... you might want to quit while you'r...@George ... you might want to quit while you're ahead. Oops: You're not ahead. That's OK -- go ahead and quit, unless you want to make coffee keep shooting out of my nose.<br /><br />@DM: The beauty of science doesn't lie in destroying mysteries; invariably new ones are uncovered. Scientists derive explanations -- observable, repeatable, falsifiable -- of natural phenomena that conform to observable reality. You, on the other hand, can cling to an ancient delusion born of the ignorance of primitive nomadic tribes. Religionists claim they already know everything they need to know. Scientists know otherwise. Who demonstrates the greater puffed-up arrogance?Augustus Mullinernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-38436000320640742512009-12-31T10:36:02.373-08:002009-12-31T10:36:02.373-08:00Let's not bash Ptolemy. Modern standards of pl...Let's not bash Ptolemy. Modern standards of plagiarism are very different. Indeed, for much of history there was far more of a problem with people writing works and falsely attributing them to older, more respected scholars.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637936588223855248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-47635903300168415992009-12-31T07:59:38.204-08:002009-12-31T07:59:38.204-08:0098% of the human race? I think not.
But it doesn&...98% of the human race? I think not.<br /><br />But it doesn't matter. Truth is not decided by majority vote.<br /><br />Thanks for running with the crowd, DM. Now try to learn to think for yourself.Zenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-71972295906737801622009-12-31T07:49:56.706-08:002009-12-31T07:49:56.706-08:00_____________________________________
Atheist:
h..._____________________________________<br /><br />Atheist:<br /><br />have you for but a moment considered that you have adopted a position against 98% of the human race, both past and present?<br /><br />do you think you are RIGHT and they are all WRONG?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />these little fools use science to destroy every mystery in the universe...but not this one!!!<br /><br /><br /><br />isgodimaginary.com/forum/index.php/topic,40909.0.htmlWRONG<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />now listen to this arrogant puffed up son of a bitch....<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilWM7jIEN_k<br /><br /><br />little scientist geek who would try to usurp God Himself!!!DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11389651479904502758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-91149323656767277432009-12-31T01:56:19.160-08:002009-12-31T01:56:19.160-08:00George
When you analize the news and information,...George<br /><br />When you analize the news and information, how much lubricant do you find you need?<br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-88750322041756145592009-12-31T00:15:37.086-08:002009-12-31T00:15:37.086-08:00@Clemens: Sorry, that doesn't work. Lorentz tr...@Clemens: Sorry, that doesn't work. Lorentz transformations (special relativity) go to reference frames which move at constant linear velocity. A transformation from an orbiting and rotating to a stationary Earth would have to be a general-relativistic coordinate change.<br /><br />IOW, heliocentrism is an objectively better description of reality than geocentrism.HRGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-33996034472616503102009-12-30T18:05:51.714-08:002009-12-30T18:05:51.714-08:00Oh holy Jeebus...
I don't know what's sca...Oh holy Jeebus...<br /><br />I don't know what's scarier: the text or the picture of the woman wearing THAT T-shirt.<br /><br />There's not much hope for such willfully stupid people.RRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12196333516263804947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-44984708613382000342009-12-30T17:37:25.500-08:002009-12-30T17:37:25.500-08:00There is another interesting phenomenon that the g...There is another interesting phenomenon that the geocentric scheme reveals. Venus can become invisible! If this were not true then we would be able to see the shadow of Venus every time it passes between the Sun and Earth yet sometimes we can't. So either Venus revolves around the Sun or Venus becomes invisible during some transits. Finding evidence like this that macroscopic invisibility is not only possible but seems to occur naturaly leads to many exiting possibilities. I've already ordered my invisibility cloak.<br /><br />Kevin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-12440030900789226612009-12-30T16:38:19.119-08:002009-12-30T16:38:19.119-08:00This was also used to account for the times when M...This was also used to account for the times when Mars seems to reverse direction. Some of this stuff (where 'some' depends on how much physics, astronomy, and mathematics you have studied) is non-obvious. I'd be surprised if more than 10% of adults could explain the difference between the sidereal and synodic periods of the moon with respect to earth, for instance.<br /><br />I didn't encounter this until an undergraduate astronomy class, but once I saw it, I just added it to the list of "things I know". It made sense, I just hadn't considered it before. Ignorance isn't necessarily shameful, but willful ignorance is.Miki Z.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02974670188688656295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-73019908033944508382009-12-30T15:53:44.299-08:002009-12-30T15:53:44.299-08:00Scott, the theory was that Venus speeds up and slo...Scott, the theory was that Venus speeds up and slows down by means of epicycles. That is, it actually travels on a circle whose center travels along that large circle around the Earth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-8844161649701364052009-12-30T15:52:11.095-08:002009-12-30T15:52:11.095-08:00Yessss,
Pure logic is all logic, and thus
has axi...Yessss,<br /><br />Pure logic is all logic, and thus<br />has axioms and normal common sense<br />analysis for anything, including<br />Mathematics. Anything illogical,<br />is also a necessary basis of knowledge.<br /><br />Well Dawkins "God Delussion" gave me the basis to define new "dawkins fallacies". And I'll see if his knew book "the greatest show on earth", has any further fallacies...!<br /><br />Knew terminology, axioms, and pure logic, initially defined by the Arch-bishop William Thomson, is the advance from today's continued obscurantism, from both evolution and bible creationism.<br /><br />What is not provable, can be defined as to what cannot be proven directly, although it could be proven via other means or axioms, etc. !<br /><br />Cheers,<br />George.<br />event<br />eve-nt.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-55024064699386489592009-12-30T14:59:26.317-08:002009-12-30T14:59:26.317-08:00Zeno,
You seem somewhat surprised that this nonse...Zeno,<br /><br />You seem somewhat surprised that this nonsense is coming from an engineer. As an engineer, I'm not.<br /><br />I have met several members of my profession who seem to be drawn to science, but seem to settle on engineering because it allows them to indulge their basic interest in science without having to think about its deeper implications on a day-to-day basis. Too bad to see obviously intelligent people so deluded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-49056212982330338902009-12-30T14:38:12.228-08:002009-12-30T14:38:12.228-08:00I'm not Zeno (his id is "Zeno", oddl...I'm not Zeno (his id is "Zeno", oddly enough). I can't read most of the text on your page because of its low contrast -- the light text on dark background in particular almost completely vanishes because you've used what appears to be a tiny anti-aliased font.<br /><br />It's generally considered dishonest to review your own books, as I see you've done on at least the Barnes & Noble site.<br /><br />I must admit, though, in the spirit of this being a mathematical blog, that it seems you have provided a <b>complete</b> axiomatic system and then proved your points from there. Gödel is vindicated by your work.Miki Z.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02974670188688656295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-1158640024778198282009-12-30T14:30:10.643-08:002009-12-30T14:30:10.643-08:00Greetings, George. As a "pure logic true scie...Greetings, George. As a "pure logic true scientist and philosopher," perhaps you could expatiate on the word <i>poseur</i> for the edification of my other commenters.Zenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-14507621055356756292009-12-30T14:29:16.874-08:002009-12-30T14:29:16.874-08:00@Anonymous: If you apply a Galileo-transformation ...@Anonymous: If you apply a Galileo-transformation of the frame of reference between sun and earth, then you get unphysical velocities greater than the speed of light. On such a cosmological scale, however, you better apply the relativistic Lorentz transformation which guarantees that all velocities remain bounded by the speed of light. <br /><br />Every xyz-centric view of the world is correct. Be it centered on the sun, the earth, pluto or Ray Comfort.Clemenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15559142083757563826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-91157917270042991832009-12-30T14:16:35.580-08:002009-12-30T14:16:35.580-08:00Oh hi M Zeno !,
Can you be more specific...?
I a...Oh hi M Zeno !,<br /><br />Can you be more specific...?<br /><br />I am only a pure logic true<br />scientist and philosopher,<br />and disregard illogic, even<br />though it be Science or Religion.<br /><br />George.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com