tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post862158529190493542..comments2023-10-29T06:41:23.910-07:00Comments on Halfway There: Spanking creationists againZenohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-78428539637536867762009-12-31T01:03:44.919-08:002009-12-31T01:03:44.919-08:00Sad.
I remember being a fundamentalist creationis...Sad.<br /><br />I remember being a fundamentalist creationist when I was younger.<br /><br />Perhaps there should be some field trips for kids with biologists and 'creationist biologists' in action. Maybe if I had that back then, I would have rejected creationism much earlier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-25185296729140694812007-08-25T19:43:00.000-07:002007-08-25T19:43:00.000-07:00I offer Northern Ireland and Iraq as two especiall...<I>I offer Northern Ireland and Iraq as two especially persuasive examples. In the former case, both sides even claimed to be motivated by Christianity.</I><BR/><BR/>Come on, now, Zeno. Northern Ireland wouldn't have had any problems if they were <I>True</I> Christians. Not a Bible-believing Baptist in the bunch, just followers of the Whore of Babylon and one of its European offshoots. <BR/><BR/>As for the 9/11 hijackers, they worship a false god. And since their god clearly doesn't exist, that makes them atheists. Q.E.D.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-47154128375381207182007-08-25T08:58:00.000-07:002007-08-25T08:58:00.000-07:00So many promising young minds - wasted.BTW, The "P...So many promising young minds - wasted.<BR/><BR/>BTW, The "Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt" in Germany is an institute similar to the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-41068644296880723232007-08-25T06:44:00.000-07:002007-08-25T06:44:00.000-07:00I did read carefully. You claimed the evidence su...I did read carefully. You claimed the evidence suggests Darwin would have been pleased with the notion of social Darwinism in your first comment, and quote him out of context. In your second you state "But they were still savages to be exterminated." This implies that he was in favor of their extermination. You imply it again in your next comment: "Darwin's view was that they would be exterminated as part of the natural course. It's then a small step for an authoritarian leader to help nature along." Darwin believed this, it's just a small step to... what is presumably your idea of social Darwinism.<BR/><BR/>I think you need to start defining your terms. Do you define social Darwinism as "authoritarian leader.. help(ing) nature along", or do you define it as something else? (Keep in mind that particular definition is a generally well accepted definition of social Darwinism.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-82712424737528059862007-08-25T01:57:00.000-07:002007-08-25T01:57:00.000-07:00"You concede he opposed slavery, yet you think he ..."You concede he opposed slavery, yet you think he would not have opposed "an authoritarian leader" "help(ing) nature along"? Are you seriously trying to make that argument?"<BR/><BR/>Read more carefully. As I already stated above:<BR/><BR/><I>The claim was that "one doubts he [Darwin] would have been pleased with the notion of social Darwinism." All indications are that he [would have been], even if he wouldn't have supported every action undertaken in its name (and even if he wasn't exactly his cousin's keeper).</I>Sinbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116688014786297876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-44193771243629370802007-08-25T01:08:00.000-07:002007-08-25T01:08:00.000-07:00what a horrific waste of young minds. here are chi...what a horrific waste of young minds. here are children, willing to learn, wanting to <I>write essays</I> for fuck's sake, and they've been swallowed by the AiG godfuck crew?<BR/><BR/>it almost makes you grieve for the poor little bastards. here's hoping some of them apply that scholastic bent and finally do some extra-AiG research of their own.<BR/><BR/>Lepht<BR/>http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.comLephthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17957644118179379305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-90244660249890105232007-08-24T20:53:00.000-07:002007-08-24T20:53:00.000-07:00Darwin's view was that they would be exterminated ...<EM>Darwin's view was that they would be exterminated as part of the natural course. It's then a small step for an authoritarian leader to help nature along.</EM><BR/><BR/><EM>That he saw races as sub-species rather than species and opposed slavery makes the point. But they were still savages to be exterminated.</EM><BR/><BR/>You concede he opposed slavery, yet you think he would <EM>not</EM> have opposed "an authoritarian leader" "help(ing) nature along"? Are you seriously trying to make that argument?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-49053493728733341952007-08-24T13:44:00.000-07:002007-08-24T13:44:00.000-07:00Why did you capitalize "dark"? Force of habit?Aca...Why did you capitalize "dark"? Force of habit?<BR/><BR/>Academic works are always subject to criticism--these aren't grade-schoolers penning their first sentences. <BR/><BR/>Please note that the blog's author did not resort to <I>ad hominem</I> attacks or name-calling. The blame, you will note, comes from knuckle-dragging religionists who drilled this nonsense into their heads. I count you among that number.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-70847472559985266702007-08-24T13:40:00.000-07:002007-08-24T13:40:00.000-07:00Scotty, you should take a look at this video and t...Scotty, you should take a look at this video and then decide whether you still think she's cute...don't go by just looking at a static picture :-)<BR/>http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/scripts/storeVideoPlayer.html?vidUrl=http://media.answersingenesis.org/video/education/evolution_exposed_contest.flv&TB_iframe=true&height=350&width=400Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-84592385089482361152007-08-24T11:03:00.000-07:002007-08-24T11:03:00.000-07:00How dare you deprave and humiliate those eager and...How dare you deprave and humiliate those eager and beautiful Children of God so publicly!<BR/><BR/>Do you evilutionists have no boundaries?<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure there are enough prayers in all of His Universe to save your Dark souls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-31171597720372517332007-08-24T10:17:00.000-07:002007-08-24T10:17:00.000-07:00"Given that you now say it requires "a small step"..."Given that you now say it requires "a small step" (i.e. a leap in logic) to each your conclusion does that mean you admit that your earlier claim that you had actual reason to believe that Darwin wanted to eliminate anyone was dishonest and unfounded?"<BR/><BR/>Keep beating that strawman. The claim was that "one doubts he [Darwin] would have been pleased with the notion of social Darwinism." All indications are that he was, even if he wouldn't have supported every action undertaken in its name (and even if he wasn't exactly his cousin's keeper). The dishonesty claim is a nice touch, though.<BR/><BR/>"Indeed: everyone in his day believed that."<BR/><BR/>Which means he opposed Social Darwinism how?<BR/><BR/>"[A]s I noted, if anything, Darwin was far more progressive than most...."<BR/><BR/>That he was <I>less</I> racist than many doesn't make him a critic of Social Darwinism.<BR/><BR/>"Yet again, there is no evidence that he favored the elimination of anyone, and the claim goes against most of what we know of his personality...."<BR/><BR/>Starwman again. <BR/><BR/>"...in addition to the whole matter being completely irrelevant to the soundness of evolutionary theory as science."<BR/><BR/>And again. I never suggested it <I>was</I> relevant to the soundness of Darwinism. It's <B>social</B> Darwinism I object to.Sinbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116688014786297876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-51655168108155823242007-08-24T09:46:00.001-07:002007-08-24T09:46:00.001-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Croesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07658144818945242338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-66368747650987448032007-08-24T09:46:00.000-07:002007-08-24T09:46:00.000-07:00Sinbad: "Darwin's view was that they would be exte...Sinbad: "Darwin's view was that they would be exterminated as part of the natural course. It's then a small step for an authoritarian leader to help nature along."<BR/><BR/>Given that you now say it requires "a small step" (i.e. a leap in logic) to each your conclusion does that mean you admit that your earlier claim that you had actual reason to believe that Darwin wanted to eliminate anyone was dishonest and unfounded? It's just as small of a step (with just as little evidence) to conclude that Darwin would NOT have liked that result.<BR/><BR/>The fact is, he was simply describing not only the descriptive implication of his theories, but what was already occurring at the time. And guess what: the people beating down those savages were not scientists.<BR/><BR/>"Noble or not, savages were deemed inferior to the "civilised.""<BR/><BR/>Indeed: everyone in his day believed that. But as I noted, if anything, Darwin was far more progressive than most, including most of the people that opposed his theory. He believed that, regardless, peoples should be accorded rights and dignity: a pretty radical view for his time. <BR/><BR/>Yet again, there is no evidence that he favored the elimination of anyone, and the claim goes against most of what we know of his personality...<BR/><BR/>...in addition to the whole matter being completely irrelevant to the soundness of evolutionary theory as science.Badhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07225890125470949454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-49243110797431587372007-08-24T09:44:00.000-07:002007-08-24T09:44:00.000-07:00Emily Zuercher would probably wet herself in terro...Emily Zuercher would probably wet herself in terror if she found out that there are people in the world who oppose, of all the Great Evils™ on her list, only Nazism. I don't have any problem with abortion or euthanasia, so long as they're consensual (which is another problem -- since funnymentalists don't actually believe anyone owns their own bodies, they're kind of foundationally incapable of understanding the concept of "consent"), and I'm all for moral decline, as long as it's replaced by ethical advancement. <BR/><BR/>In fact, as I'm used to having morals defined (social codes of behaviour imposed by outside socialising agencies, as opposed to ethics, which are internally-derived), I wouldn't mind if they went away almost entirely.<BR/><BR/>Scotty B: She might be cute if she didn't have such a ferally smug look of utter ignorant self-righteousness pasted on her mug...Interrobanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073177798747299275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-16234727787457417782007-08-24T09:15:00.000-07:002007-08-24T09:15:00.000-07:00She's cute...She's cute...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-2737710566842606392007-08-24T08:48:00.000-07:002007-08-24T08:48:00.000-07:00Wonder how long it's going to be before we get a t...Wonder how long it's going to be before we get a troll gasping in horror over the fact that we dare to criticize children's essays, or point out that they didn't do the research they were supposed to.<BR/><BR/>After all, we absolutely must avoid saying anything remotely resembling criticism against emotionally fragile children, since self-esteem is more important than meaningful success.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-70097144395467186932007-08-24T08:30:00.000-07:002007-08-24T08:30:00.000-07:00I agree with the sad thing, because it is sad, but...I agree with the sad thing, because it is sad, but really the better question will be what will these kids do with their lives? If they have dreams in the sciences how will they be able to sit through Biology lectures if they don't agree with what is being taught?Wildyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00816391700278074035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-73947587672534908032007-08-24T08:26:00.000-07:002007-08-24T08:26:00.000-07:00"It's then a small step for an authoritarian leade..."<I>It's then a small step for an authoritarian leader to help nature along.</I>"<BR/><BR/>It's also a small step from "<I>more offspring means more of your genetic material gets passed on</I>" to someone indulging in lots and lots of fucking, but I don't what that has to do with <B>what Darwin wanted to see happen</B>. Do you? Do you think that Darwin would be an advocate of lots of fucking?<BR/><BR/>"<I>Noble or not, savages were deemed inferior to the "civilised."</I>"<BR/><BR/>By whom? And inferior in what way? I thought Darwin understood that "inferior" wasn't a term with much application outside of particular environments. Didn't he say that the "savages" were far better suited to their environments than a civilized person such as himself would be? Perhaps he thought the civilized societies were superior in their ability to kill (and heal, but only themselves), so it would be natural for those less accomplished at it to eventually be replaced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-83244824434978574532007-08-24T08:17:00.000-07:002007-08-24T08:17:00.000-07:00Zeno, you're ever in the UK I'll stand you a coupl...Zeno, you're ever in the UK I'll stand you a couple of pints (beer, wine, tea, whatever is your poison) for wading through that ocean of crap for us.Peter Mchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03850862887931603954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-89619762062131058982007-08-24T08:00:00.000-07:002007-08-24T08:00:00.000-07:00"If there is any evidence that Darwin advocated an..."If there is any evidence that Darwin advocated anyone exterminating anyone, that quote isn't it, and I'm not aware of any evidence of it."<BR/><BR/>Darwin's view was that they would be exterminated as part of the natural course. It's then a small step for an authoritarian leader to help nature along. <BR/><BR/>"'Savages' is what EVERYONE at the time called native peoples, and it has a rather different connotation today than it used to (i.e. ideas like 'noble savages')."<BR/><BR/>Noble or not, savages were deemed inferior to the "civilised."Sinbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116688014786297876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-51020716346961210592007-08-24T07:52:00.000-07:002007-08-24T07:52:00.000-07:00Yeah, I got the memo allright, remy. I also got th...Yeah, I got the memo allright, remy. I also got that other memo that says we have to take everything that book says literally. And, well, I thought that book said that god created the world. And then much, much, much later it says something about that guy Jesus.<BR/>I mean if Jesus is his son and the son of Maria, and if Maria was human then Maria must have been a descendant of Adam and Eve. But if neither Adam nor Eve was born when the earth was created then Maria could hardly have been born then. Nevermind her son. <BR/>I mean if we are all into that "scripture says this" and "scripture says that" business then the heresy of that girl is beyond compare. May one of those three have mercy on her soul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-86446035721632711242007-08-24T07:32:00.000-07:002007-08-24T07:32:00.000-07:00"I thought the creator and designer was god."Manni..."I thought the creator and designer was god."<BR/>Manni, didn't you get the memo; jebus and god are one in the same. I mean He is his own father. AND, there is that ghosty thing that is also part of the divine mixture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-8081303678338166452007-08-24T07:20:00.000-07:002007-08-24T07:20:00.000-07:00I'm impressed by the fortitude of your stomach, wh...I'm impressed by the fortitude of your stomach, what with reading through all those-- but if you're going to spew, spew into this: [_]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-80986088111698488132007-08-24T07:04:00.000-07:002007-08-24T07:04:00.000-07:00It is sad. A boatload of young minds, eager to le...It <B>is</B> sad. A boatload of young minds, eager to learn being filled up with a load of horseshit. Zeno, you deserve a medal for bravery for wading through all that and a special award for valor if you made it through without projectile vomiting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-87269820388724877542007-08-24T06:55:00.000-07:002007-08-24T06:55:00.000-07:00child abuse.it's terrible because these kids are s...child abuse.<BR/><BR/>it's terrible because these kids are so bright and eager to succeed. if they were given a good education just imagine what they might accomplish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com