tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post4741520458663928328..comments2023-10-29T06:41:23.910-07:00Comments on Halfway There: Expulsion revulsionZenohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-70124722504407252372008-05-06T13:11:00.000-07:002008-05-06T13:11:00.000-07:00Well, I am in the camp of the tradition of the ana...Well, I am in the camp of the tradition of the anababtists, who have been persecuted and killed by the state church during the very same era as the Jews in the dark Middle Ages.<BR/><BR/>Nominally Christian churches have murdered more Christian martyrs than all the outward enemies combined.<BR/><BR/>So what should I think of your accusation? As for me, I have casted the worst writing of Luther to my web pages:<BR/>http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Luther_OntheJewsandTheirLies1543.htm<BR/><BR/>NOT ONLY the Catholic church, but even Luther gave permission to murder the 'sect' of anababtists, who confessed any priesthood even less than Mr. Luther who also refused to admit priesthood as a sacrament. The date in which this murder license was given was 31.03.1527. This was verified in 1529 in Speyer and are called the genocide laws of Worms. Directed against Christian minorities.<BR/><BR/>And this is no surprise. Jesus himself prophezied in his longest speech in his last evening that "by killing you, they think they are doing a sacrifice unto G*d" (John 15-16).<BR/><BR/>AND REMEMBER that I am from Finland, the most Lutheran country in the world. I would also like to emphasize that during the Nazi Regime it was the Lutheran arch bishop of Finland, who strongly opposed giving ANY of the Finnish Jews to the Nazi Germany, even though Germany was the only country that helped Finland against the aggression and attack by the Soviet Russia to Finland:<BR/>http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Easter-island-broken-ear-mob-lynch.htm<BR/><BR/>Finland was the only country of all the participants of the WWII that paid all the war debts laid over it, which lasted ten years and was even few tiths of the gross income. Just the ships Finland had to mostly import and then donate to the USSR would have made a quey of 20 km or the trains full of machines and the like numbered141490 wagons. Finland was also the only country of the lost side that was never occupied, either by the German or Soviet troops. She was also the only democracy waging a war aside the Nazi Germany - and had to pay for it dearly. At the end of the war, Finland had to wage war also against the few German troops in the Northern Finland and Norway. Finland was the ONLY country of the WWII where the local Jews were in principle serving in arms with the German troops. Three Finnish Jews were even offered the Iron Cross. They all refused, however, and referred to their Mosaic faith. But one of them rescued a major German unit from a siege. There was even a synagogue in the uttermost front battle field. In 1905, the second major Zionist conference was arranged in Finland, Helsinki. In hte Russian pogroms between 1820 and 1900 even one million Jews were killed but those did not reach Finnish autonomy. In 1905, the second conference on Zionism after Basel and after Theodor Herzl had died was held in Helsinki, despite the demonstrations in the Russia and despite Finland officially still belonged to Russia.<BR/><BR/>pauli.ojala@gmail.com<BR/>Biochemist, drop-out (M.Sci. Master of Sciing)<BR/>http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Expelled-ID.htmJaakonpoikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05473422011143619917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-15598939261887413052008-05-06T09:53:00.000-07:002008-05-06T09:53:00.000-07:00Pauli, you can rant about Haeckel all you want, it...Pauli, you can rant about Haeckel all you want, it will not erase the 1,000+ year history of Christian persecution and genocide against Jews. The Holocaust was just another European Christian pogrom, this time with more advanced machinery. Hitler insisted he was doing Jesus' work, he banned atheist organizations, banned books by Darwin, banned non-Christian schools, was helped by the Pope of his own time and actually joined by the Pope of our time, etc. etc. Some of those are cheap shots, but at least they're historically defensible. <BR/><BR/>For Hollywood D-lister celebrity activist Ben Stein to traipse into Dachau and say it was all the fault of an Englishman who wrote about giant tortoises a hundred years previously, is nothing less than Holocaust denial itself, and defenses of Stein's kookery are no better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-25049939483193792242008-04-22T15:25:00.000-07:002008-04-22T15:25:00.000-07:00Ben Stein's goal in making Expelled (i gather) is ...<I>Ben Stein's goal in making Expelled (i gather) is to promote free thought</I><BR/><BR/>That's certainly what he <I>says</I>, Patrick, and he says it over and over again, so no points to you for getting "the message." But if Stein is telling the truth when he says this, why is <I>Expelled</I> full of half-truths and misrepresentations (less charitably called "lies")? The right to free thought includes the right to think utter nonsense. It does not include the right to have people treat it with deference or act as if it's comparable to respectable scholarship.Zenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-56271088686037871062008-04-22T14:27:00.000-07:002008-04-22T14:27:00.000-07:00Ben Stein's goal in making Expelled (i gather) is ...Ben Stein's goal in making Expelled (i gather) is to promote free thought, especially more thinking about motivations that drive American academia and a lot of other behind-the-scenes worldview that we tend to take for granted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-7435233059515779032008-04-21T21:20:00.000-07:002008-04-21T21:20:00.000-07:00And if I were you, I would burn that ticket stub, ...<I>And if I were you, I would burn that ticket stub, as it's proof that you spent $7.50 to watch this nonsense. </I><BR/><BR/>Eric, you didn't read all the way to the end, did you? ;)<BR/><BR/>Beautiful review, Zeno. I've linked to it from my blog.Pixy Misahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17855049515966841347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-68882093935216993272008-04-21T11:37:00.000-07:002008-04-21T11:37:00.000-07:00Robert, I won't speak to era from which the mathem...Robert, <BR/><BR/>I won't speak to era from which the mathematical techniques Zeno teaches come. <BR/><BR/>But you may want consider that your critique of anachronism can be easily turned against you. After all, applying your line of reasoning to Christianity, reveals it to be nothing more than a 1st century mystery cult that somehow gained enormous popularity.<BR/><BR/>If you want to consider to offer such critiques, I'd recommend converting to a more contemporary religion. I hear brother Hubbard's faith is doing quite well, and if you are lucky you might even meet Tom and Katie. <BR/><BR/>Thoughtfully, <BR/><BR/>PiDPlatoisDerridahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359099109925868324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-68761695932906735242008-04-20T10:29:00.000-07:002008-04-20T10:29:00.000-07:00Yes, Jim, I've seen those autobiographical comment...Yes, Jim, I've seen those autobiographical comments from Berlinski. Perhaps he thinks it makes him charming to be so humbly self-deprecating. Or perhaps Berlinski figures it's the best way to deal with the fact that he hasn't been able to hold an academic job. Charmingly self-deprecating he's not.Zenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-82356896678083771582008-04-20T10:23:00.000-07:002008-04-20T10:23:00.000-07:00Berlinski has a Ph.D. in philosophy, but he's a se...Berlinski has a Ph.D. in philosophy, but he's a self-described "critic, contrarian, and ... crank" (quote from 2008 Slate profile) who "got fired from almost every job [he] had."<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_BerlinskiLippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-55645671292456476672008-04-20T09:48:00.000-07:002008-04-20T09:48:00.000-07:00the empirical sciences have removed God as the pro...<I>the empirical sciences have removed God as the proximate cause of the events he cites</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, Robert, the God-box keeps getting smaller.<BR/><BR/>And I teach math up to and including techniques from the 20th century.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for visiting. Come back when you have something useful to say.Zenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058127284297728552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-39494634823974465052008-04-20T09:04:00.000-07:002008-04-20T09:04:00.000-07:00As I posted to Panda's Thumb:Zeno should stick to ...As I posted to Panda's Thumb:<BR/><BR/>Zeno should stick to teaching 17th-18th century mathematics. At most, the empirical sciences have removed God as the proximate cause of the events he cites, not the ultimate cause.O'Brienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07532848760781346921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-80219255872129627862008-04-19T20:15:00.000-07:002008-04-19T20:15:00.000-07:00"Certain words are highlighted in yellow as they o..."Certain words are highlighted in yellow as they occur in Stein's voice-over, while others are selectively blacked out."<BR/><BR/>Interesting. These Intelligent Design-ers must have gotten ahold of some of the CIA's infamous "black highlighters". Conspiracy, anyone? <BR/><BR/>And if I were you, I would burn that ticket stub, as it's proof that you spent $7.50 to watch this nonsense. Personally, I'm holding out for the DVD. I'm sure the blooper reel alone will be worth the rental fee.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795345254947396856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-1382133774971745912008-04-19T19:44:00.000-07:002008-04-19T19:44:00.000-07:00I take umbrage at your comparison of Ben Durrrrr t...I take umbrage at your comparison of Ben Durrrrr to the sexiest woman ever.<BR/><BR/>But the penultimate graf is pure win. If anything, Science wants to keep gog(s) in that little box because that's what we usually do with people who go around touching others inapropriately.Jens Knudsen (Sili)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14078875730565068352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-38559794836021718612008-04-19T07:18:00.000-07:002008-04-19T07:18:00.000-07:00Maybe the creaturs lie for a variety of entities? ...Maybe the creaturs lie for a variety of entities? And if they truly believe what they lie, they will most assuredly receive their just awards when they end up in He[cough]. Ah men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15868947.post-45418641997061591982008-04-18T22:25:00.000-07:002008-04-18T22:25:00.000-07:00Bad Zeno. Cheating those poor, beleaguered Expell...<I>Bad</I> Zeno. Cheating those poor, beleaguered <I>Expelled</I> creators out of their hard-earned pennies. After all, shouldn't lying for Jesus produce great rewards?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com